Friday, November 12, 2010

Experiences of Immigrant Indian CAs

The Experiences of Immigrant Indian
Chartered Accountants in Canada
Analysis of Survey Results
October 5, 2010
By
Dr. Marcia Annisette
Associate Professor, Accounting Department
Schulich School of Business
Dr. V. Umashanker Trivedi
Associate Professor, Accounting Area
Schulich School of Business


Acknowledgements: The authors gratefully acknowledge the support provided by the Toronto
chapter of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India by encouraging their members to
participate in our survey
Terms for Using Materials from this Report: Use in any research material/publication without
obtaining prior permission of the authors is strictly prohibited. All other use of any portion of
this report should be accompanied by appropriate credit to the authors.


TABLE OF CONTENTS
Page Number
Executive Summary 3
Some of Our Key Findings 4
Other Important Findings in Our Study 5
Survey Results (Tables and Charts)
Demographic Information 6
Qualifications and Work Experience before Coming to Canada 7
Reasons for and Preparation Relating to Decision to Come to Canada 9
Upon Arrival in Canada 13
Canada Till Today 19
Opinion about Market for and Success of Foreign Accountants in Canada 24


EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The accounting profession in Canada has continued to experience a shortage of qualified
accountants for well over a decade now. In fact, because of this shortage, the Canadian High
Commission in India gave an advertisement in 1996 in The Chartered Accountant, the official
journal of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India, inviting qualified accountants to apply
for immigration to Canada. However, no data exists on how immigrant accountants fare once
they land in Canada. The answer to this question is especially important for accountants from
India since they typically constitute the vast majority of accountants who immigrated to Canada
in the recent past. Our survey of Indian CAs in Canada attempts to answer, among other
questions, the following important questions:
· Why do Indian chartered accountants decide to immigrate to Canada?
· What are the common characteristics of an immigrant Indian CA in Canada?
· How have immigrant Indian CAs fared in Canada?
· What are the factors associated with or impediments to the success of Indian CAs in
Canada?
A total of 134 immigrant Indian chartered accountants in Canada responded to our online survey
during the early part of 2010. The 134 responders did not provide their responses to all the
questions in the survey. The minimum number of responders to any question answerable by all is
115. The analysis in this report is based on the actual responses for each question and is
presented mostly in percentage form. A fuller analysis of the survey will be presented by us in
future research papers/reports.
The average age of our respondents is 45. While 10 of our respondents are female, the remaining
124 are male. More than 85% of our respondents possess an undergraduate or graduate degree.
The following important conclusions can be drawn from our survey:
· There is considerable variation in the success achieved by Indian CAs in Canada.
· The average Indian CA in Canada earns considerably higher than the average Canadian but
earns considerably less than the average Canadian CA.
· There is significant devaluation of the accounting credentials and work experience of Indian
CAs in Canada, starting at the time of their arrival in Canada and continuing till date.
· The vast majority of Indian CAs in Canada was happier with their career progress outside
Canada than they are with their career progress in Canada.
· The vast majority of Indian CAs believes that foreign born accountants are not paid the same
as Canadian born accountants for performing similar work.


SOME OF OUR KEY FINDIINGS
· While the rough annual average salary of responders in their last year of employment
prior to coming to Canada was $50,000, the rough annual average salary of responders in
their first year of employment after coming to Canada dropped to $37,500. The current
(2010) rough annual average salary of responders is $105,000. In comparison, according
to the CICA’s 2009 CA profession compensation survey, the average salary of a
Canadian Chartered Accountant is approximately $186,000 (the median being
approximately $127,000).1
· Most respondents indicate that they currently hold permanent full-time positions (86%).
Around 70% of respondents work in the for-profit sector, with more than 50% working
for multinational or national companies.
· Fully 73% of respondents feel that their first job was not appropriate considering their
qualifications and experience at the time of their arrival in Canada. Further, only 52% of
respondents feel that their current job is appropriate and sufficiently recognizes their
current qualification and experience.
· More than 90% of the respondents feel that persons with foreign credentials/designations
are not given appropriate and adequate recognition in Canada.
· More than 80% of responders feel that foreign born accounting professionals are not paid
the same as local born professionals for performing similar work.
· A better life, children’s future including their education, and better career prospects are
the most important reasons for Indian CAs to immigrate to Canada.
· An overwhelming majority of the respondents indicate that they did not acquire any
additional academic training or professional designations specifically for the purpose of
immigrating to Canada. However, more than 70 percent of responders indicate that they
obtained additional professional designations after their arrival in Canada.
· 71% of respondents indicate that it took them six or less months to secure their first
accounting job.
· More than 80% of respondents feel that obtaining Canadian credentials/designations and
Canadian work experience are important, very important or vitally important for a foreign
immigrant to succeed in Canada.





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OTHER IMPORTANT FINDINGS IN OUR STUDY
· On average our respondents possessed 12 years of work experience as qualified
accountants prior to their arrival in Canada. Thus, on average an Indian CA immigrating
to Canada did so in his/her mid to late thirties.
· More than 60% of the respondents worked in one or more countries other than India prior
to their arrival in Canada. Middle Eastern and African countries were the most popular
foreign countries where Indian CAs worked prior to coming to Canada.
· While 45% of respondents came to Canada during the 2001-2005 period, 27% came
during the 1996-2000 period. A further 14% came during the 2006-2010 period.
· Almost 45% of responders indicate that they had very low to low knowledge of the
market for accounting professionals in Canada prior to their arrival.
· While 128 responders indicated that they are or have been employed in Canada at some
point of time after their arrival in Canada, only six indicated that they have never been
employed in Canada.
· On arrival in Canada, Indian CAs sought and obtained help mostly from friends, head
hunters and fellow accountants from India. Only a very small minority sought and a still
further smaller minority obtained assistance from an accounting association/local chapter
of the institute.
· Approximately 61% of respondents indicated that they did not try to secure employment
prior to arrival in Canada. Of those who tried to secure employment prior to arrival in
Canada only 14 were successful in actually securing a job.
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SURVEY RESULTS
Demographic Information:
1. Age:
Mean 45.04
Median 44.50
Minimum 28
Maximum 71
2. Gender:
Count
Female 10
Male 124
Total 134
3. Country of Birth:
Count
India 133
Singapore 1
Total 134
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Qualifications and Work Experience before Coming to Canada:
4. All professional designations earned by the 134 respondents prior to arrival in Canada:
Count
Chartered Accountant-India 134
Cost Accountant-India 17
Company Secretary—India 14
CISA 14
Certified Public Accountant (9 clearly mentioned as from USA) 13
Chartered Accountant-Other than India 6
Certified Internal Auditor 7
Certified Management Accountant 4
Bachelor of Law 4
CGA-Canada 2
Other designations 12
Total 227
5. Did you work in any country other than India prior to your arrival in Canada?
Percentage
No 38.06
Yes 61.94
Total 100.00
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6. Were you happy with your career outside Canada prior to your move here?
Percentage
Yes 84.33
No 15.67
Total 100.00
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Reasons for and Preparation Relating to Decision to Come to Canada:
7. Why did you decide to come to Canada (choose all applicable alternatives)?
Percentage
For a better life 38.43
For our children's future including education 27.95
For better career prospects 22.71
Other family members were already in Canada 3.93
Many of our friends were already in Canada 3.49
Adventure 0.87
Marriage 0.87
Did not obtain green card in USA 0.87
Personal 0.44
Don't know why, still wondering! 0.44
Total 100.00


8. Did you try to secure an accounting position/employment in Canada prior to your arrival
here?
Percentage
No 60.45
Yes 39.55
Total 100.00
9. Prior to your arrival in Canada, did you obtain additional academic training (other than
professional designations) specifically for the purpose of immigrating to Canada?
Count Percentage
No 125 93.28
Yes 9 6.72
Total 134 100.00
10. Nature of the additional training obtained prior to immigration to Canada:
Count
Computer & software courses including SAP and Oracle 7
French 4
Other training through immigration agencies 1
Total 12


11. Did you obtain additional professional designations prior to your arrival in Canada
specifically for the purpose of immigrating to Canada?
Percentage
No 88.81
Yes 11.19
Total 100.00
12. Additional designations obtained prior to immigration to Canada:
Count
CPA (USA) 8
CISA 3
CFA 2
CIA 2
CIMA, UK 1
CMA 1
Other 1
Total 18


13. During the immigration process, did any Canadian governmental or non-profit organization
either provide you with information relating to the Canadian accounting job market/job
avenues or help you in securing an accounting job?
Percentage
No 92.54
Yes 7.46
Total 100.00


Upon Arrival in Canada:
14. Period of arrival in Canada:
Percentage
Prior to the 70s 0.75
During the 70s 0.00
During the 80s 6.72
1990-1995 5.97
1996-2000 26.87
2001-2005 45.52
2006-2010 14.18
Total 100.00


15. On arrival in Canada who of the following did you approach in your search for employment
(choose all applicable)?
Percentage
Head hunter(s) 33.67
Friends 29.00
Fellow accountants from India 17.33
Government/Quasi-government agency 7.00
Accounting association/local chapter of institute 5.67
No one 7.33
Total 100.00
16. Have you been employed in Canada so far?
Count Percentage
No 6 4.48
Yes 128 95.52
Toronto 134 100.00
%

17. Annual income in the first year after arriving in Canada?
Percentage
Less than $50,000 73.02
$50,001 to $75,000 19.84
$75,001 to $100,000 5.56
$100,001 to $150,000 1.59
$150,001 to $200,000 0.00
Above $200,000 0.00
Total 100.00
Rough average annual income in first year after arriving in Canada:* $37,500
*Mid-point of each range used to calculate average.
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18. In your opinion, were the first job(s) secured by you in Canada appropriate given your
educational and experience background at the time of your arrival in Canada?
Percentage
No 72.66
Yes 27.34
Total 100.00
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Canada Till Today:
19. Nature of current employment:
Percentage
Accountant/Accounting/Budgets/Controller/Fin. Reporting/Tax 32.84
Bookkeeper 0.75
Banking/Capital Markets/CFO/Finance/Financial Analyst 14.93
Consultant IT 2.24
Consultant Management/Implementation/Risk 2.24
External Auditor 7.46
Financial Advice/Public Accounting/Self Employed/Tax Prep. 9.70
Internal Auditor 11.94
Management 4.48
Manager Operational Risk/Project 2.24
Not Currently Employed 5.97
None 0.75
Not Provided 4.48
Total 100.00
20. Industry Sector of Current Position:
Percentage
Banking or financial sector 27.50
Accounting services including public accounting 15.83
Manufacturing sector 13.33
Government 10.83
Service industry including payroll processing, collection agency, travel 5.83
Technology/Telecommunication/Software 5.00
Business/Management consulting 3.33
Utilities including electric generation and distribution 3.33
Construction/Real estate/Parking maintenance 3.33
Health services 1.67
Engineering/Engineering services 1.67
Marine services/Marine transportation 1.67
Other 6.67
Total 100.00
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21. Type of current employer:
Percentage
A multi-national for-profit company 34.17
A national for-profit company 20.83
A local for-profit company 15.00
The public sector 15.00
Myself, I am self-employed 10.00
A non-governmental not-for-profit organization 1.67
Our family business 0.00
Not applicable 3.33
Total 100.00
22. Nature of current work:
Percentage
Permanent full-time 86.67
Contract full-time 6.67
Permanent part-time 3.33
Contract part-time 3.33
Total 100.00
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23. Did you obtain additional professional designations after you arrived in Canada?
Percentage
No 29.10
Yes 70.90
Total 100.00


24. If you obtained a Canadian or North American accounting designation, did the acquisition of
such a designation significantly increase/improve your accounting knowledge as compared to
your existing accounting knowledge?
Percentage
No 69.47
Yes 30.53
Total 100.00


25. In your opinion, is your present or recently held job(s) appropriate given your present
qualification and experience and does it sufficiently recognize your present qualification &
experience?
Percentage
No 47.66
Yes 52.34
Total 100.00


26. In your opinion which of the following are the real reasons why accounting positions were
not offered to you (choose all which apply)?
Percentage
Failure to recognize my foreign qualification 43.29
Lack of Canadian experience 24.24
Overqualified 10.82
Other reason 6.06
Language issues 3.03
Not a fit for the job 3.03
Not applicable 9.52
Total 100


27. Are you happy with your career progress in Canada?
Percentage
Yes 50.75
No 49.25
Total 100.00


Opinion about Market for and Success of Foreign Accountants in Canada
28. In your opinion, are persons with foreign credentials/designations given appropriate and
adequate recognition in Canada?
Percentage
No 91.79
Yes 8.21
Total 100.00
%

29. In your opinion are foreign born accounting professionals paid the same as local born
professionals for performing similar work?
Percentage
No 82.09
Yes 17.91
Total 100.00
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30. In your opinion, for a foreign immigrant to succeed in their career in Canada, how important
is obtaining appropriate Canadian credentials/designations?
Percentage
Not important at all 4.48
Somewhat important 16.42
Important 14.18
Very important 29.85
Vitally important 35.07
Total 100.00
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31. In your opinion, for a foreign immigrant to succeed in their career in Canada, how important
is obtaining appropriate and adequate Canadian experience?
Percentage
Not important at all 4.48
Somewhat important 13.43
Important 21.64
Very important 29.85
Vitally important 30.60
Total 100.00

36 comments:

  1. Thanks Ajay for posting a very insightful analysis on the experience of Indian CA's in Canada. It is surveys like these that encourage those within and outside Canada benchmark their current position and determine their future course of action.
    Balvir

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  2. Thanks a lot. Found very interesting and useful.

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  3. Sir, can you tell me the easiest way to migrate or get ca job in cannada, as I currently passed my final, plz e- mail me at sourabhtaneja2006@gmail.com

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  4. Sir, I am CA and working in reputed bank in India. Shortly I am going to migrate in Canada, can you prefer any online accounting course before I enter which will be really useful. Email id :- bhagirathsinh13@gmail.com
    N thanks for such a useful detail.

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  5. Sir, I am a CA. with around 4 years of exp. in India and now planning to move to Canada. Can you plz suggest me some course which I can undergo before shifting to Canada. And can u also guide me how to find a good job in Canada.
    My email id : aritika.garg@gmail.com
    Thanks & Regards

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    1. Hi Aritika, the accounting profession is going through a period of consolidarion and the CA and CGA institutes are merging. You can look at the sites of CGA Ontario or ICAO to get a sense of the rules around getting your Canadian accounting designation.

      Do feel free to write to my gmail account if you need more information on the Canadian job market.

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    2. Hello sir, can i Have your email id please?

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  6. Dear sir, I hv 8 yrs post CA experience in corporate accounts, treasury taxation & finance in India. I am planning for PR Canada. I need to know what is the average salary I can expect to get without having any Canadian professional course & how much time it takes to secure first job.

    Thanks

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    1. Hi Pranave, frankly getting your first job will be your biggest challange. There are no hard and fast rules around timelines for jobs here, but be prepared to be in the job seach mode for between 4-8 months and for a salary to start from around 40-50 k onwards.

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  8. Hello Ajay Sir,

    Sir I am also planning to move Canada... Can you please mention the average packge of an Indian CA who is having 3 years of experience.

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  9. Hi Mayank

    There is no set salary range as it all depends on what kind of job you land; however, an entry level job can pay anything from $40,000 onwards.

    While not excesive it is still a good starting point and you can then grow from there in your career and income.

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  10. Hello Sir,

    I am an Indian Chartered Accountant with more than 4 years of Experience in limited companies. Now, I am planning to move to Canada.

    Can you tell me the Job prospects over there for Indian CA's in Canada??

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    1. Hi Veenus

      Honestly, your first job will be the biggest challange.There is no hard and fast rule about when you can land your first job; people have landed jobs within the first month of arriving and some have had to wait a few months for their first assignment.

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  11. Ajay Sir,

    I am expecting to get the PR by June-2015, do have experience of 12 Year major in UAE, would like to know how to get the equivalent CA qualification, I know there is MRA, but Canadian CA is also being unified as CPA,
    appreciate your guidance, what is the best possible path for Indian CA to get recognize CPA in Canada. further through research I came to know that UFE is required, I do have 9-12 month in hand, could you guide us how to prepare to save time, is it possible to sit for UFE from outside of Canada >>>>>>>>

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    1. Hi Chetan
      I am also in same situation pls suggest if you have any information to go for UFE to get recognise CPA in Canada....
      my email id is camunishkhanna@live.com and expecting to get PR in next two three months

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    2. Hi Chetan,

      How is the progress of your PR for Canada. Hope to get some good news of that. I am an Indian CA and applied for PR in Canada. Please share your email ID and reply me to subrata14@gmail.com

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    3. Hi Chetan,

      How is the progress of your PR for Canada. Hope to get some good news of that. I am an Indian CA and applied for PR in Canada. Please share your email ID and reply me to subrata14@gmail.com

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    4. Hi Friends & Ajay Sir,

      I am an Indian CA having total experience of 4 Years in India.
      I am planning to move to canada.
      Please guide me, will I be able to have job of our field there.
      Please help me with the information regarding UFE.
      Can I do UFE from India?
      Please advise me,
      Email: virajca1@gmail.com

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  12. Dear Ajay Sir,

    I am a CA and have 2 years of post qualification experience in risk consulting division of mid sized firm. I am planning to move to canada. Kindly suggest additional courses to find a good job there.

    Should I find a job there first OR should I apply for PR beforehand? please advice.

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  13. I shall be enrolling for CFA by next month though.

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  14. Hi Ajay Sir

    Pls suggest how can i secure job before migrating to Canada as i am expecting to get visa in next two three months. As per my qualification me and my spouse both are Chartered Accountant working in Banking Industry in India as of now......Pls share some job sites if any which help us out to go further....Also pls share the location we should prefer to Land in Canada where chance of securing first job and earn atleast to cover up living expenses there for my family in first few years....

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  15. Hi Ajay Sir

    Pls suggest how can i secure job before migrating to Canada as i am expecting to get visa in next two three months. As per my qualification me and my spouse both are Chartered Accountant working in Banking Industry in India as of now......Pls share some job sites if any which help us out to go further....Also pls share the location we should prefer to Land in Canada where chance of securing first job and earn atleast to cover up living expenses there for my family in first few years....
    My email id is camunishkhanna@live.com

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  16. Ajay Sir,

    I am an Indian CA with 12 yrs of experience and willing to move in Canada under PR Immigration Scheme. I have applied accordingly. Please guide me by suggesting how I can plan out so that, I can secure and suitable job there in Canada. Any course I should apply for before moving to Canada or not. Please advice at my email ID subrata14@gmail.com

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  17. Dear Sir,

    Do Favor for following Matter

    I am a CA Sandip (Married on 03/05/2015) and have 2.5 years of Own Practising CA of mid sized firm. I am planning to move to canada. Kindly suggest additional courses inter alia to find a good job and PR Process there.

    Should I find a job there first OR should I apply for PR beforehand? please advice.

    Appreciate Your Quick Response..

    ThaNku...

    Warm Regard,
    CA Sandip, Surat, Gujarat, India.

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    1. my contact detail.

      mayanisandip@gmail.com

      + 91 9428786466

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  18. Dear All Concerned,
    Sorry for late replied as I was too busy in my lading process. would like to share the ground realities of my 2 month experience in Canada. My credential is under process but I have been suggested to ready for Cap stone 1 module path as ICAI don't have MRA, ICAI has only MOU with earlier CICA now they have continued with Unified CPA Canada Agency, I am expecting to challenge the CFE earlier version UFE. in coming spetember so I have to wait until that & kill the time. further in Canada now job situation is very uncertain I do have experience at International platform, even struggling but here in Canada market is very hidden, though it is advanced economy but everybody suggest to adopt referral route.
    In Canada I found bit of hype in every filed as far as Asian Skill set & professional is concerned they think that person comes from Aisa means they might not have genuine degree not even experience. It is very unfortunate that our people has created image of DESI. not to criticize or blame anyone. Though Canada has very good potential then to USA but Canadian policy do not encourage to take much risk and there for people are not that much entrepreneur . other thing over concerned about the security & privacy which also biggest road block in canadas progress, currently Canada is in official recession. currently as far as economy goes I feel that it is same like Gulf only difference this is democratic country and gulf is kingdom. However aspiring CA and CA who would like to migrate Canada should atleast prepared for every thing which may involve huge cost. but in long run I expect that every body settled down here in this country but with big sacrifice. I have tried to generalize my observation. please consider as one side of outlook.

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  19. What is the current job outlook for Chartered accountants in internal audit professionals in Canada

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  20. Please let me know about Current opportunities for indian chartered accountants in Canada...

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  21. Please let me know about Current opportunities for indian chartered accountants in Canada...

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